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Wheel Change, anyone tried It ?
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userRayjsj
Posted: 4 March 2011 9:48 PM
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As it was a lovely day here yesterday, I thought i would have a look at the spare wheel and tyre, and see how easy a 'wheel change' in 'Earnest' would be...... well, it's an Alko chassis and a 'ultra low line' as well so the first job was to jack up the rear end a considerable distance, the 'cradle' undid ok, but didn't go right to the floor, you have to unhook it and lower it about 10 inches.,and as i thought, it looked like the cradle had never been down in 5 years, the Tyre still had the 'crinkly bits' on the tread (never seen the road) but the wheel was getting rusty.
Wire brushed the rust off of the wheel and gave it a spray coat of 'Plasticoat' enamel, checked the tyre pressure put the spare into a Canvas bag, put that into the cradle and ........ how the %$^^&&* are you supposed to lift the cradle/spare wheel assy. high enough to 'hook' the cradle back into place ?? after nearly 'busting a gut' I started to use my 'Grey matter' and eventually using the 'wheel jack' was able to jack it back up into place. BUT i will not be doing it again.. especially at the side of the road, possibly at night, and probably with it 'Hissin down'.
So, any punctures from now on and 'Earnest' the 'Green Flag' man will be changing it. nice try ! but Nil Points ! Ray

PS. is an 'unused' 5 year old Michelin XP tyre, that has never seen the light of day, still ok as a spare, and if so, when should it be replaced ?
user1footinthegrave
Posted: 4 March 2011 9:53 PM
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I tried this once with the supplied scissor jack, mission impossible. I think a 2.5 ton trolley jack at the least.

As for your tyre, most tyre suppliers would say it's getting close to being past it's sell by date I suspect, but if we were in India it would be good for another 20 years ! !

Edited by 1footinthegrave 2011-03-04 9:56 PM
userpelmetman
Posted: 4 March 2011 9:55 PM
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Rayjsj - 2011-03-04 9:48 PM
PS. is an 'unused' 5 year old Michelin XP tyre, that has never seen the light of day, still ok as a spare, and if so, when should it be replaced ?


I replaced my 20 year old never used spare last year, but expect it to be snaffled away by the trade to be flogged on some where later
userMike H
Posted: 4 March 2011 10:00 PM
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Ray.
When I have removed the spare to check etc. getting it back on to the hook, is fairly easy if you use the supplied wheelbrace handle bent end in the small tube welded on the nearside of the carrier, put it in from underneath and then lift the whole cradle and wheel upwards. hope this helps. Mike.
userRayjsj
Posted: 4 March 2011 10:10 PM
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Mike,
I wondered what that small welded 'tube' was on the side of the cradle, think I can picture what you are describing. It will still be heavy though, but the wheelbrace as a lever will make it easier. Thanks for that, next time (hope there isn't one) i'll read the 'destructions' before trying to bust a gut. Thanks again Ray
userHow Much???????
Posted: 5 March 2011 8:43 AM
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When i bought our 'van, i decided to splash out and buy a new jack. I got one of those 'quick-lift' trolley jacks, reasoning it would be 'easier' to lift the vehicle. Wrong!
Its actually nigh on impossible to lift at all. Given the jack has to be a good way under the vehicle to clear the skirts etc; by the time the handles in, thers no room to raise it sufficiently to actually do the lifting. Unlike my old jack that went up in small increments, and operated at whatever height you could lift the handle. And, even if you get the height on the handle, you either need a six foot extension bar, or would have to virtually stand on the handle to force the van i the air! The jack was discounted - and now i know why!

As for raising the spare; i dont know why they cant all adopt the old Ford Transit method that lowered/raised it on a steel cable from the floor. Far easier that struggling with a cradle.
userlennyhb
Posted: 5 March 2011 10:24 AM
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I've had my spare out it's on a winch cable but still a right pain no way would I attempt a wheel change at the side of the road, I'll just put the kettle on & wait for the breakdown truck.

The spare is under the van so away from UV so should be OK for 10 years plus but I would still only use it as spare as mine iss a on a steel rim & the road wheels are alloy. Could change the tyres on the rims but will probably put winter tyres on when I change them.


userMike88
Posted: 5 March 2011 11:21 AM
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Put Ultraseal (Puncturesafe) in your tyres. It may not work for large punctures but should work in many situations. I paid £50 for 4 wheels via a local tyre installer.

Link here:

http://www.ultrasealuk.biz/home1.htm

Telephone the Exeter contact point for an installer anywhere in the UK.

Edited by Mike88 2011-03-05 11:23 AM
usermike 202
Posted: 5 March 2011 12:11 PM
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Agree with Mike88, we had puncturesafe put in our tyres. Only downside is a bit of a steering wheel wobble at 55 to 65 for the first few miles until the excess liquid spreads itself around the tyre.

Mine was £60 21/2 years ago.
userMike88
Posted: 5 March 2011 12:32 PM
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Forgot to say. Mine was done at my house.
userHarvey
Posted: 5 March 2011 4:23 PM
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....... and don't forget that if you need to change a wheel because of a flat tyre, the whole shebang will be about six inches lower than during your 'test'

Harvey

ps. I am inmressed with the spare arrangement on my 2006 Autocruise Starblazer ... it is in the 'boot' *and* it is an alloy wheel to match the others.

Edited by Harvey 2011-03-05 4:24 PM
userrolandrat
Posted: 5 March 2011 5:13 PM
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If you have a flat tyre, and if you can, run it up on your levelling block then you will be able to get your jack underneath. As was previously mentioned, 2ton trolley jacks are a waste of time, I use a 12 ton Merc bottle jack which never fails. One consideration when thinking of buying a motorhome is the location of the spare wheel which should be located if possible at the rear like most Auto-trails which are easy to access and also be able to check on a regular basis. You will also need a three quarter Cold socket and bar plus a piece of scaffolding tube to crack the nuts.
userstarvin marvin
Posted: 5 March 2011 5:24 PM
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No, I haven't and I don't intend to try. I have breakdown cover, the expression "I don't have a dog and bark myself" springs to mind.

The only time I've had a flat on a m/h was in France on a campsite. A call to the RAC in Lyon and round the boys came took one look at where the spare was kept, out came an air jack, off with the tyre off and they disappeared for 3 hours, (it was near lunchtime), and returned with the repaired tyre. Simples.
usersilverback
Posted: 5 March 2011 7:23 PM
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ray, i couldnt be bothered busting a gut either,so took it out of the cradle put it in one of them covers what you see on 4x4's then stuck it inside the van behind the passenger seat works good, also now more weight is on the front axle which is better, regarding the tyre mine is the original mitchlen 10 year old, when i got some new tyres last year the fitter had a look at it and said there was no prob with it, no cracking etc and told me to keep it so fair play then i did
jonathan
userLordThornber
Posted: 5 March 2011 9:27 PM
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Hi Ray, we changed or 5 yr old tyres 2.5 yrs ago and changed the unused spare at the same time.

The logic I deployed was that as I was using enough nous to change the 4 tyres, why would I not change one more that I might well need in an emergency?

Answer? No reason at all. So 5 tyres please.

Martyn
userart338
Posted: 5 March 2011 9:57 PM
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Two years ago I removed the spare (from its cradle).

Now cleaned and checked it lies all cosy in a bag inside a locker under the bed, with plenty of space still remaining.

art
userthebishbus
Posted: 6 March 2011 12:31 AM
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Hi. Our van spent the first few years of its life in the salty atmosphere of Skegness,the underside and particularly the spare wheel carrier were in quite a rusty condition, I think it would would have been difficult to remove the spare if we had puncture on the road. I used the Fiat scissor jack, and removed the wheels on our drive, then axle stands to support the van whilst I Waxoild the lot. Even after this, I think in the event of a punture I would call out the breakdown people, after all we are paying for their service.
Brian B.
userRayjsj
Posted: 6 March 2011 1:06 PM
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I suppose i am from the now 'old school' who thought of themselves as somewhat 'able' to get themselves out of trouble if trouble arose, but have to admit that with engines and electrics now controlled by ECU's and Can Bus wiring and the Hard shoulder on Motorways converted at peak times into a 'Live' road, (any flat tyre would be destroyed by the time a 'Refuge' was reached). That is a distant memory, and an 'Up to date' membership of a 'Rescue' service as much an essential as an 'up to date tax disc. And after my 'Best case' scenerio above, I won't be doing it again. (end of an era !) Ray
userarthur49
Posted: 4 November 2011 5:10 PM
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Apologies for raising an old thread but I went out today to check my spare wheel etc - came down and went back up nice and easy.

Whilst I was at it thought I'd try removing a road wheel using the standard supplied tools - Peugeot Boxer X250.

Well, I'm not unduly weak, but after strangling a b******, I could only budge one of the five nuts...........!!!!!

Anybody else tried it? If so how did you do it?

Arthur

Edited by arthur49 2011-11-04 5:11 PM
userBGD
Posted: 4 November 2011 6:45 PM
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The law of Sod applied on our three week chug around Southern France/Italy a few weeks ago: we got TWO punctures - one in each rear tyre - in the space of 5 days. (luckily I'd had the first duff tyre replaced at a tyre fitting place the day after the first semi-blowout, so had a brand new spare to fit when the other tyre got a puncture).
So I've changed both rear wheels in anger the past few weeks - both on small side roads in the middle of the countryside, in a foreign country.
I've got a 5 tonne bottle jack - absolutely brilliant piece of kit - and a tommy bar extention that fits over the wheel brace - these two items of kit make changing a wheel as relatively simple and quick job; maybe 15 minutes.
The process is helped by the fact that on our old 1992 Aryal Autostar A-class is based on the old PeugeotJ5/Citroen C10/Talbot express running gear, so the spare is under the bonnet and easily accessed.
userbazooka
Posted: 4 November 2011 7:07 PM
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Ray with the price of tyres,why leave a new tyre unused and then dump it! when needing ttwo ttyres why not use the spare and have the part worn one as a spare.
Baz

Edited by bazooka 2011-11-04 7:08 PM
userbazooka
Posted: 4 November 2011 7:11 PM
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Easy with a torqe wrench Auther,not expensive from Tool Mart.
Baz
user1footinthegrave
Posted: 4 November 2011 7:13 PM
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LordThornber - 2011-03-05 9:27 PM

Hi Ray, we changed or 5 yr old tyres 2.5 yrs ago and changed the unused spare at the same time.

The logic I deployed was that as I was using enough nous to change the 4 tyres, why would I not change one more that I might well need in an emergency?

Answer? No reason at all. So 5 tyres please.

Martyn


And the folk in India will be very grateful, and get another five years life out of them, then a good few pairs of flip flops after that

Edited by 1footinthegrave 2011-11-04 7:14 PM
userarthur49
Posted: 4 November 2011 8:22 PM
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In the past, on previous van, I broke a 24" breaker bar. I'm not that strong and its very disconcerting to see the bar bend wondering what will give first.............nut or bar!

Arthur


bazooka - 2011-11-04 7:11 PM

Easy with a torqe wrench Auther,not expensive from Tool Mart.
Baz
userClive
Posted: 4 November 2011 9:43 PM
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The aging effect on rubber is because of sunshine. I suspect that an underslung spare sees little of this!

C.

userColin Leake
Posted: 4 November 2011 10:10 PM
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arthur49 - 2011-11-04 5:10 PM

Apologies for raising an old thread but I went out today to check my spare wheel etc - came down and went back up nice and easy.

Whilst I was at it thought I'd try removing a road wheel using the standard supplied tools - Peugeot Boxer X250.

Well, I'm not unduly weak, but after strangling a b******, I could only budge one of the five nuts...........!!!!!

Anybody else tried it? If so how did you do it?

Arthur



We carry and extending wheel wrench from Halfords and have helped two other drivers undo stuck nuts. If you buy one check the supplied sockets will fit your wheel nuts. On our last motorhome they did not so we had to buy an extra socket.

When you have changed a wheel you should get the torque on the nuts checked as soon as possible.
userColin Leake
Posted: 4 November 2011 10:13 PM
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No problem with removing the spare from the carrier. Possibly because we've got an AutoTrail with the spare in a sensible and easily accessible carrier on the back!

Edited by Colin Leake 2011-11-04 10:15 PM
userKeithl
Posted: 4 November 2011 10:40 PM
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And if you've got really tight nuts here's a tip to help loosen them...

Before you jack up the vehicle place the wheel wrench on the nut at between 3 and 4 o'clock then use the jack to exert an upward force on the handle of the wrench.
Instead of just having your strength or weight acting on the wrench you will now have the whole weight of the vehicle acting against the jack and hopefully the nut will loosen.
As a very final resort you could try bouncing your weight on the vehicle to 'shock' the nut loose but be very careful you are clear of the wrench when things move!

I must stress that this is to be used as a final resort and is not recommended as an everyday practice but you never know when it may be useful.

Keith.
userBrambles
Posted: 5 November 2011 12:49 AM
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Another tip. Try tightening 1st to break the seal before loosening. Surpising to most, it usually works.

p.s. Just recalled someone mentioning to get a torque wrench to undo....NEVER use a torque wrench to undo nuts, its a torque wrench and should be treated as a precision instrument..it s not a lever and should be kept for one purpose only ..final torquing up.

Edited by Brambles 2011-11-05 12:59 AM
userRayjsj
Posted: 5 November 2011 12:38 PM
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I agree with 'brambles' torque wrenches are for 'torqueing' . I have one of the 'Extending Wheel braces' only i got mine from Lidl, (when they used to sell quite good quality 'Extras' unlike the 'car boot sale' stuff they have recently). to 'break the seal'. Then only use the 'Torque wrench' to do the final 'bit' to the correct torque. (then release the pressure spring ! to keep it calibrated.). My Spare is Steel, but my other 4 are Alloy, SO, differant Torque setting, differant bolts. and Now, new 'Contis camping' on the Alloys, and still the 6 year old michelin camping in the spare cradle. (i'agree with Clive,and will replace the spare (if still unused) in a couple of years or so). With tyres at over a £100 each. a 'Suspect' spare is just as good as a 'spacesaver' which is all I have on my car. Ray
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