Lucie Cranfield Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Hello All, The brand new May issue of MMM is on-sale today! It includes a FREE 32 page guide to Scotland, as well as 9 inspiring travel tours in the UK and abroad, including the Lakes, Scotland, Kent, Germany and France. Plus 91 sites perfect for castles, beaches, museums, photography and food. We also test a range of motorhomes from tiny to tremendous, including a Danbury VW T2, Autocruise Forte camper, Rapido and RS A-class motorhomes. Plus fantastic deals on campervans starting from £4k. Get your copy now - http://tinyurl.com/c53lqpr Travelling away? Read MMM on the go for just £2.49 - http://tinyurl.com/c3mhm2v Thanks, Lucie :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B. Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Wow 91 sites to look at! Wonder if any of them will be Premier or the other ones that are filling the mag every month *-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly58 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Mike B. - 2013-04-04 12:24 PMWow 91 sites to look at! Wonder if any of them will be Premier or the other ones that are filling the mag every month *-)And how many are Toooooooooooooo embarrased to show their site fee's? ,because they are far Toooooooooooo expensive !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemelson Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Lucie Cranfield - 2013-04-04 11:47 AM Hello All, Plus 91 sites perfect for castles, beaches, museums, photography and food. :-D 91 sites to avoid.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 I have enjoyed (still reading) this months mag.VERY good article about research done by Bailey on the effects of accidents on passengers at the back of motorhomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGD Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Poppy - 2013-04-05 8:14 AM I have enjoyed (still reading) this months mag.VERY good article about research done by Bailey on the effects of accidents on passengers at the back of motorhomes. This article? http://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/Motorhomes/News/Manufacturers/Bailey-crash-tests-motorhomes-to-improve-safety/_ch1_nw2629_pg1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Yep, that's the one, Bruce! Anyone else notice that in the final video, in which the rear facing backrest doesn't collapse, it is the child sized dummy that is the the outer rear facing seat, while in the others it is an adult sized dummy, or am I just being a cynic? I was also rather surprised that, having seen that seat back collapse in video 1, it appeared un-modified in video's 2 and 3, and (apparently consequently) still collapsed. On the evidence, it would appear there is still some reinforcement required - that I would have thought a decent engineer could relatively easily calculate and design. Even so, full marks to anyone who submits their vans for this kind of test. It should be done by all. Motorhomes are not that prone to accidents, it is true, but the secondary consequences of the amount of flying furniture and equipment that results when they are, is a far greater danger to occupants than the direct consequences of the crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGD Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 So the article referred to is available to read, on-line, for free............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel the editor Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Interesting comments, if a little cynical. But just to clarify: There is a free condensed version of the MMM article available online, but the full article with quotes and much more detail is only in MMM. The free condensed version is here: http://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/Motorhomes/News/Manufacturers/Bailey-crash-tests-motorhomes-to-improve-safety/_ch1_nw2629_pg1 Also, I did attend some of the testing so I did witness the modifications to the bulkhead between tests one and five. Most of these modifications can't be seen on the videos however as they were either done to strengthen the bulkhead itself or to reinforce the way the bulkhead is secured to the chassis. This is why it looks as if the bulkhead wasn't modified between the tests, but it was. Hope that clarifies it, Thanks Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Jones Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Poor Lucie! You do get some stick on here don't you? I for one look out for your posts, as I don't subscribe at present. When I see your post, I know to look for a copy next day (Friday) at Morrisons! As for those campsites, I assume the advertisers etc have done their market research, but I keep being surprised that operators of expensive, "holiday-camp" style sites find it worthwhile to advertise in a specialist Motorhome mag. I'd have thought that most of their market would be caravanners. Even those motorhomers who prefer sites to "the call of the wild" generally aren't looking for a place to sit on all week - or are they? Still if they feel it's worth advertising, fair enough. The mag needs a certain quantity of adverts to stay viable (especially when Bruce just keeps reading bits for free :D ) , and if it wasn't these ads, it'd be some others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Daniel the editor - 2013-04-05 1:11 PM.............Also, I did attend some of the testing so I did witness the modifications to the bulkhead between tests one and five. Most of these modifications can't be seen on the videos however as they were either done to strengthen the bulkhead itself or to reinforce the way the bulkhead is secured to the chassis. This is why it looks as if the bulkhead wasn't modified between the tests, but it was. Hope that clarifies it, Thanks Daniel Interesting. But, do you know, Daniel, if the final iteration of the design was tested with the full sized dummy in the outer seat, and if so how it fared? I gained the impression from the article, and again from what you say above, that the modifications were something of a process of trial and error. If that is the case, the problem will be that no-one can really know which modification made the critical difference, or why. Neither can they know how that seat might respond to a heavier, or possibly taller, passenger, which means no safety factor can be calculated. I'm not knocking Bailey for carrying out the tests, quite the reverse, and have great respect for them for revealing the results. However, I'm a little concerned on all of our behalves that, having spent a lot of money, they may have gained an unquantifiable result that, ultimately, won't help anyone. These tests need to be engineer led, and I somewhat gain the impression (possibly misleading) that these may not have been. It would be interesting to know. FWIW, I found that article far and away the most interesting read of the May edition. More such, please! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel the editor Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Thanks Brian Can I suggest that if you're at the Peterborough show in a couple of weeks you put your questions directly to Bailey? I've invited Bailey to speak about its safety testing at our free seminars on both the Friday and Saturday of the show and I think they are better qualified than me to answer. If you can't make it, or if you prefer, I can ask the question on your behalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Kirby Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Thank you Daniel. Unfortunately we cannot be a Peterborough, or it would be interesting to ask Bailey - though I think it might not be a question to pose in public, in case the motivation were taken as being antagonistic. By all means ask away if you feel so inclined, and blame me for the question if you wish! :-) I'd be interested to hear what they say sometime, if the opportunity presents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristopherR Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Has anyone else failed to receive their copy through the post...I was eagerly anticipating mine on Wednesday *-) but still no show :'( . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Thought it was quite a good issue. Obviously I must have issues. Cheers Andy :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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